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GMB: Richard Madeley and Dr Hilary Jones clash in lockdown debate

The pair discussed the final stage of lockdown lifting

GMB star Richard Madeley clashed with Dr Hilary Jones in a debate on today’s show.

On Monday’s programme, the pair along with Susanna Reid discussed whether the easing of the final Covid restrictions should be delayed past June 21.

It comes after some experts insisted it’s too early due to the rise of the Indian variant.

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Richard quizzed Dr Hilary on GMB (Credit: ITV)

What did Richard Madeley and Dr Hilary say on GMB?

Dr Hilary said: “Let me ask you a simple question, why would we get out of lockdown when things are getting worse? Does that make any sense to anybody?”

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Richard cut in: “But are they getting worse? In the sense that more people aren’t going to hospital?”

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Dr Hilary said people need to be cautious about lockdown lifting (Credit: ITV)

Dr Hilary said: “Yes they are.”

Richard insisted that despite there being more cases in the UK, they might not be leading to more hospitalisations.

Dr Hilary said: “But we are seeing hospitalisations. We may not be seeing so many, we’re not seeing the big peak in hospitalisations and deaths, but we’re still having our NHS staff work extremely hard to keep hospitalisations down and keep people from dying.

“ICU units are pretty busy again and some experts are saying that we are already in a third wave.

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The GMB panel discussed the end of lockdown (Credit: ITV)

“So my question is why would we ease restrictions now when things are getting worse when we’ve got a new variant which is causing huge problems in India but big problems here as well.”

He added: “Until we get this under control, then we are going to have problems going forward.”

When asked what ‘under control’ means, Dr Hilary said: “It means living with this. It means vaccinating the entire population and having booster doses.

“It means continuing with social distancing for the time being with mask wearing and sanitising and being cautious.”

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Viewers praised Richard (Credit: ITV)

What did Richard say?

Richard responded: “But Hilary, it’s going to be months and months until the entire country is vaccinated. So we stay like this until the autumn?”

Dr Hilary said, “I know it’s a nuisance for people,” to which Richard exclaimed, “It’s more than a nuisance!”

Richard added: “So if you were prime minister you would be saying at some point in the next 48 hours, ‘Sorry everybody, but you’re stuck with this for the foreseeable.

“‘We’re going to be living with this through the summer, into the autumn and possibly as long as Christmas until every last person, who is willing to be jabbed.’ I mean, that’s a big ask.”

Dr Hilary said: “It is a big ask – it’s a pandemic. It’s the biggest health threat for a hundred years. So we have to take it seriously.”

Richard hit back: “But not now! Because the vaccine has broken the link between infections and the hospital.”

What did GMB viewers say about Richard Madeley?

Viewers were quick to praise Richard for ‘calling out’ Dr Hilary.

One person said: “Love Richard, he is asking the right questions. I’m glad he’s challenging Dr Hilary because I’m fed up of his constant negativity.”

Another added: “Well done Richard for calling him out; about time somebody did.”

Another added: “Well done Richard. We need to keep calling out this absolute nonsense whenever we hear it!”

What did others say?

However, others were in support of Dr Hilary as one tweeted: “I think Dr Hilary Jones is spot on here. I’m afraid to say we are going to have to be cautious going forward.”

Another commented: “Well done @DrHilaryJones. Difficult but wise commentary.”

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